上帝给了人自由意志(God gave Man free will.)——欧美基督徒使用的十大蹩脚论点

上帝给了人自由意志(God gave Man free will.)——欧美基督徒使用的十大蹩脚论点在《欧美基督徒使用的十大蹩脚论点》中排名第6名。我们精选了部分网友观点： ...

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如果上帝是无所不知的，那就意味着他知道未来。如果他知道未来，那就意味着未来会按照他所知道的方式发展。如果未来不应该按照他所知道的方式发展，那就意味着他不知道未来。如果每件事的发展都是因为他的无所不知，那也意味着每件事的发生都是必要的。如果每件事的发生都是必要的意思是没有自由意志。你不能改变必然会发生的事情。如果没有自由意志，那就意味着人们对自己的罪恶和行为不负责任。如果上帝因为人们的罪恶而惩罚他们，那么他们就不负责任，那就意味着上帝是不道德的。结论是：或者上帝是无所不知的，而且同样是不道德的，或者他不是不道德的，但在这种情况下，他不是无所不知的。逻辑上说，如果上帝把自由意志给人，他就不可能是无所不知的和善的。从逻辑上讲，这意味着没有上帝，因此上帝给予的自由意志

If god is omniscient it means he knows the future. If he knows the future it means that the future will develop the way he knew. If the future shouldn't develop that way it means he didn't knew the future. If everything develops because his omniscient it also means that everything happens necessary. And if everything happens necessary it means that there is no free will. You can't change something that will happen necesserary. And if there's no free will it means that people aren't responsable for their sins and acts. If god punish people because of their sins from wich they are not responsable it would mean that god is immoral. The conclusion is : Or god is omniscient and also immoral or he is not immoral but in that case he isn't omniscient. Logic says that god can't be omniscient and good if he gave free will to men. In more logical terms it means that there is no god and for that matter a god-given free will.

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如果你说上帝给我们有限的自由意志，这将不再是自由的，就像你不能选择自己的物种，或者你不能像你在评论中写的那样像超人一样飞翔，可以说他是在自然条件下给予自由意志的，但自然并不一定是上帝赐予的东西，你可以，我相信有一天我们会用科学的证据来解释自然

If you say that god give us limited free will ( this wouldn't be free anymore ) like you can't choose your species or you can't fly like superman ( like you wrote in your comment ), it would be saying that he gave free will with the conditions of nature. But nature is not neccerssally a god giving thing. You can ( and I'm sure we will one day ) explain nature by science proof.

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所以我们有自由意志去做我们想做的事，但是上帝有一个计划，知道我们在生活中要做什么，这对你来说不是有点矛盾吗？

So we have free will to do whatever we want yet God has a plan and knows exactly what we're gonna do in our lives, doesn't that seem a little contradicting to you?

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看来他不小心让他们太聪明了，因为很多人都不相信他！

Looks like he accidently made them TOO intelligent then, cause so many don't believe in him!

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教堂把它拿走了-韦斯托菲奥

And the church took it away - westofohio

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女人呢？-卡索姆猫

What about women? - CatsOMG

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但他有个计划。有点条件

But he has a plan. Bit condridicting